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clubbed his victims. but he later disclosed to his psychiatrist actually the day before he was executed that he had run amuck like that in the past but these crimes had never been discovered. >> oh, thank you so much. i can't imagine spending all of the hours that you did. make sure you watch tonight on "the seventies" right here on cnn at 7:00. all right. i'm brooke baldwin. hour two. in about 60 minutes from now, cnn will go live to an historic moment. a bill to take down the confederate flag will cross the governor's desk and at this time tomorrow a flag that has flown on the grounds for more than 50 years, will be ceremony yously removed. the bill made it way through the state senate and was debated into the wee hours of the house
floor. representative jenny horne said quote, we are not fighting the civil war anymore and tearfully reminding the house why they were there. >> if we amend this bill we are telling the people of charleston we don't care about you. we do not care that someone used this symbol of hate to slay eight innocent people who were worshipping their god. >> last night was the three-week anniversary of the massacre in charleston and it was noted on the floor after my remarks and i have to tell you that it's the least that we can do as a body. >> if you would have asked me last year if we would ever
remove the flag from the statehouse grounds in my lifetime i would have said there's no way. >> let's take you now to columbia to my colleague, nick valencia. nick you pointed out that there are still some protesters some holdouts behind you waving their confederate flags. bottom line in one hour governor nikki haley is signing that bill into law. >> reporter: a monumental day. you can feel the gravity of the situation that is happening. 13 hours it took house representatives to come to this decision to permanently remove the confederate flag from the statehouse grounds, a flag that has been flying on the grounds since 1961. 15 years ago, another contentious debate moved it from the top of the capitol at this confederate monument. it's been a contentious debate a divisive debate. behind me people are still --
they are holdouts. there are people unwilling to accept the decision. there are those that still see this flag the confederacy battle flag a sign of heritage. talking to those who support the flag staying up there, one told me that this doesn't symbolize hatred but his ancestors and those that he called a northern invading army. i believe the consensus here in the state of south carolina is that that is a symbol of selective reading of history, an outdated representation of history and one that has been a very painful portion of history for this state. brooke? >> thank you, nick valencia. i want to talk to someone who was up in the wee hours of the morning. this is representative david mack. representative mack thank you so much for joining me today. >> nice to be with you, brooke. >> obviously i want to get to how you're feeling in your heart and mind overall of this but i
have to begin with reverend clementa pinckney. what do you think that he would be saying today now that we know the governor of your state will be signing this bill into law and this flag will no longer fly over the capitol rotunda? >> i know he's looking down smiling at this point. we went into the south carolina legislature 19 years ago and all of the accolades that you've heard from clementa pinckney is absolutely true an unbelievable guy. a great friend very compassionate and caring for people and i know he's looking down very pleased. >> for you, sir, you know you point out your years serving the state. you were there in 2000 during a different debate to remove the flag. obviously that went nowhere i read a quote from you and you sounded angry on the floor, south carolina i keep thinking
that we're better than this and keep falling down the same path. my question to you, what took so long? >> that's a good question. and in 2000 some movement was made a so-called compromise that a lot of us including myself did not agree with. the flag flew on top of the capitol and within the house and senate chambers we were able to get it off the top of the capitol and out of the chambers but, unfortunately, it went out in a position. last night was very historic. the senate did a great job. i also want to acknowledge the business community which really pushed this. i want to acknowledge governor nikki haley and i want to acknowledge several republicans in the house and the senate whites republicans who took a
strong position with regard to what is right. i think it's a great coalition and last night ended up to be a very good night. >> can we talk about charleston state delegate jenny horne and her tearful plea. you were there. let me play this for folks who haven't seen it. >> this flag offends my friend john king my friend reverend neil. i cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do somethng meaningful such as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on friday. and if any of you vote to amend,
you are ensuring that this flag will fly beyond friday and for the widow of senator pinckney and his two young daughters, that would be adding insult to injury. and i will not be a part of it! >> representative mack i mean it's one thing for me to to be moved and i'm just watching this through a tv screen but you, sir, were there, you saw it and felt it. what was the reaction in the room? >> that is representative jenny horne, she is a friend a tremendous integrity and class and compassion. that is representative jenny horne and i hope that could be a message to everyone in south carolina and in this country as we move away from the
confederate mindset, if you will. and let's look for everybody in this country, black, white, asian, latino to have a great educational program, decent wages, careers, health care housing, quality of life issues. and that's what we need to evolve to and to bring everyone together. so again, with regard to representative jenny horne, we're not surprised. she's a very quality person. it was a phenomenal point last night and i think a turning point last night. >> yeah. it seemed to be. let me throw this at you. we know that the flag will be moved to the state's confederate relic room for military display and i assume when you walk into a museum and have a plaque describing the flag what would you write? i didn't mean to stump you.
i'm curious. >> no. it's a part of history. and, from my perspective, a definition of history is is the confederacy, the south fought to maintain its economic engine which was slavery, which was driven by slavery. i would not be a good person to write that but i think the key thing is it's a part of our history. let's move on. there are global issues ahead of us right now. we have to get our young people focused and moving in the right direction to move our country forward. >> i think as a representative for 19 years, you get a say on how that flag reads. representative david mack thank you very much. >> thank you, brooke. on the same day, south carolina is planning to take down the confederate flag a fight over the same issue is
unfolding on the u.s. capitol. listen to this. >> question is on ordering the previous question all those in favor say aye, all those opposed say no. >> what is this all about? athena jones is in washington for me right now. athena jones, what has just happened on the south floor? >> brooke there has been a lot of heated anger going on for many many hours and that happened not too long ago when nancy pelosi put forward a resolution that would remove the confederate flag any plan that has the confederate imagery from the capitol. that would include the mississippi state flag which includes the confederate flag in its upper corner. that motion that resolution was essentially postponed, sort of
kicked to the side. no telling if there would be a vote on that. that really angered a lot of democrats. you heard them being very vocal on the house floor. but even starting early this morning you had this issue come up that led to the house republican leadership having to pull a bill from the house floor, cancel the vote for today because that bill a bill to fund the interior department included an amendment offered by republicans and by a republican that would allow the confederate flag to continue to be displayed at federally run cemeteries. that's something that angered democrats because they put forward amendments calling for the removal of flags at the cemeteries and from any national park facilities couldn't sell the merchandise showing the confederate flag. there's been a lot of discussion and anger over the fact that the republicans are going to have this vote this afternoon that would allow the confederate flag to stay in place. and so the republicans pulled
that bill. you can see republicans leading on the issue in south carolina but then being caught up in this debate on the other side of history, many would say, here on capitol hill. brooke? >> a domino effect. let's watch this very closely. athena jones, for now, thank you very much. coming up next a major shakeup at the baltimore police department. commissioner anthony batts fired months after freddie gray's death. also, who is this little girl? the many is industryystery is deepening in boston. could this computer-generated image help find her parents and solve the case? stay with me. power kale chicken caesar salad is rivaled only, by the goodness felt while eating one. panera. food as it should be. welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like my second
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. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. anthony batts is off the job more than two months after freddie gray died from injuries while in police custody. batts was terminated hours after the release of a police union report blasting his lack of leadership during the riots over gray's death. when asked about the timing of stephanie stephanie rawlings-blake decision. let's go to suzanne malveaux who is live in baltimore. what has anthony batts' response been to this termination? >> reporter: well he's actually said that he's had the pleasure and honor to serve the city of baltimore. it was interesting what we heard the mayor said because it's
true. i spoke to sources familiar with the process and she was thinking about this from the days following the riots that it might be necessary to get rid of the commissioner because of the tension with the police department and that they have been interviewing in the last couple of weeks in earnest. so this process has been ongoing. it wasn't just that report. and it was interesting, i had a chance to talk to the family attorney of freddie gray and i asked them what is necessary to bring them together and what do they want to see come out of this. here's how he put it. >> this problem has to be solved immediately before there are any more freddie grays. it has to be solved immediately so the harassment of black citizens stops once and for all. it has to result in a legitimate police source instead of what we've had from the past 300 years. i think the feds have to come in now and take over this
department nothing short of that would solve the problem. it's so dysfunctional and at war with itself so racist in its continuing attitude towards blacks. >> reporter: and brooke out of all of the people that i've talked to most of them agree, that the mayor did the right thing, that she made the politically correct decision here that it was important to get rid of the commissioner but there's a much bigger problem here the culture of the police department. if you don't address that you are not going to get to the root or the heart of the problem. they believe that's going to be a lot more work ahead. >> suzanne malveaux thank you very much. baltimore's mayor repeatedly has said that she fired the commissioner because it was taking the focus away from the crime fight. while the crime fight, to my next guest, has hit a new low. connor meek lives in baltimore and was mugged recently in june his bike stolen from him.
this week he wrote about his experience with the police in "the baltimore sun." he went to two -- not one -- but two baltimore police stations after this happened to him. they were both closed from 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. he describes the resistance he received from several officers. he wrote this in part, "aside from world war ii or a nuclear attack there is no excuse for an urban police station to be closed for 12 hours a day. i felt violated and disrespected and i'm a young white male who had his bike taken from him. i can't imagine walking up to that door as a black female rape victim or a recent immigrant or a domestic abuse survivor and having bazooka joe rudely inform me that he wasn't really interested in taking visitors at
this time." i spoke to two baltimore police officers anonymously and they admitted to me in the wake of everything that has happened that they have become more reactive and not proactive. and you say you've experienced this firsthand with your bike. can you tell me what happened? >> basically, it's old news. my bike got stolen. i made my way to the police department and there was a handwritten sign on the door that said they were closed from 7:00 p.m. to a.m. i wrote a piece in "the sun" and it got quite a reaction and that's why i'm here talking to you today. >> i want details, if you don't mind because it's not old news to a lot of people watching. once you had these people come upon you and they took your bike tell me about this sharpie sign on the door of the baltimore police station. >> basically, you know i called 911 but still walked to the police station and when i got there they had this sign on the
door. i was able to speak to an officer and be a bit of a pain of a butt and get my way in there but it was more of a problem than it should be for any citizen in baltimore and in the united states. >> why was it a problem? what was the issue? >> the problem was that the police station was closed. this is baltimore. that's not acceptable in any way and i think the response from the city has shown that. >> what did the police officer say to you? did you say to him, hey, this is not right, that a city police station should be closed at 7:00 p.m. at night? >> yeah. i mean i told him that and he you know told me that i needed to go back to where i called 911 from which was not an appropriate location for me to go. so at that point we talked for about a minute and i was eventually granted entry. but like i said those doors need to have an open door policy there. it's the police station. >> and the reason why we're talking to you, connor you wrote this editorial in "the
sun." it's been all over so much so that an officer responded to what happened to your piece on facebook. this is the police response you're looking at online. as you look at that can you tell me how the officer responded? >> i've already commented on that and i want to put the best foot forward and trust the police department to appropriately investigate misconduct and make the citizens aware of the outcomes of those investigations. >> all right. so you trust the police department. >> we've got to -- i did talk to the police department. they called me and asked me if i'd like to file a complaint. i said my complaint with the police department is closed and you addressed that in an appropriate amount of time. >> sometimes we have to rehash what happened to explain to the viewer to get to where we are now. i'm hearing trust. connor meek, thank you. next her photo has been
a tremendous outpouring of concern and help from people around the country 45 million people trying to figure out who this baby doe is. this is her composite rendering. her body was found last month in the boston harbor stuffed in a trash bag. they believe she was 3 or 4 years of age and wearing polka dot leggings and wrapped in this blanket. investigators have released this new image showing what appear to
be brown eyes and brown hair. dr. lee, welcome. >> how are you doing? >> i'm okay. i'll be better when they figure out who this lilt girl is when you find her in a trash bag and washing up on the boston harbor what are the first things you're looking at? >> well actually this case should be a five-prong approach. the first is the facial sketch and the second thing is they should look at her teeth, any dental or information any birth marks that they can generate so-called external and internal
information. and a blanket. they should trace that and give her the label. and look at around which store is selling those things. in addition the other clothing on her, we probably can track back because those clothing looks like a relative new, not too much stain on it except for a blanket that appeared to have a stain on it and so those can be traced. the next thing they should look at a plastic bag, what type of a plastic bag, what company and look at whether or not the bag was dumped into the ocean and washed to the deer island area.
>> apparently there were no signs of trauma. she was wrapped in this blanket. it's from walmart and how do they then trace back how she even came to be in the water in the first place based upon a bag and no signs of trauma? >> i've been in this field for 56 years. no trauma whether or not water is in the lungs, which means before or after that and the plastic bag which how long this body been in the trash bag in the water so determine whether that's a primary or secondary scene, again, dna, it's another scene. they are asking three or four years so they should check boston area hospital record
between the year 2013. that and, you know so much you can do. that's besides, of course the baby doe picture, want the public to provide the information. use all of the resources. >> the news is that so many people around the country, not just in new england now, 45 million people have clicked on this picture and hopefully soon enough based upon everything that you are describing that they will be able to find these parents. if there are any other kids in that home they will find those kids. dr. lee, thank you. next donald trump laid out to cnn his plan to fight isis and it involves blowing up oil fields. we'll have a retired u.s. general react to that proposal, straight ahead.
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as well. just the scale of this it was already big when we heard about it a couple of weeks ago at 4.2 million and now it's five times as big. in the investigation as to who was behind this, james clapper told me two weeks ago at an intelligence conference that china is the leading suspect in this breach. they have been attacking government institutions and private companies for years now. but this one, brooke really remarkable in its size and scope. and in the sensitivity of the information involved. >> i was going to ask when we were first reporting on this fingers were pointed in the chinese direction but there you go. jim sciutto, thank you. >> thank you. next the army announcing new details on the 40,000 troops it is cutting. we'll talk to a retired general how that will affect troops overseas. and let's go to donald trump's plan to fight isis, next. it's so shiny. i know, mommy,
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we are getting new details today about the military cutting 40,000 troops. major cuts specifically to georgia, alaska hawaii washington oregon and california. ft. benning and ft. hood each will lose more than 3,000 troops between this year in 2017. so let's talk about the repercussions here with our cnn military analyst, general mark hertling. general, always wonderful to have you on. welcome, sir. >> thank you, brooke. >> how will this impact u.s. operations bottom line? >> well it will affect it tremendously. but this is not new, brooke. this has been happening over the last several years. we've been decreasing the size of the army starting in 2011. this is just the latest amount of cuts. but the reason it's gaining so
much attention is because it's affecting congressional bases here in the united states. when you start reducing the number of troops at bases, congress congressmen get upset about it. we've been cutting forces in europe and in asia for the past several years in the tens and thousands. now it's gathering attention because it's affecting employment and the civilian communities around these bases. >> let me pivot and you ask about the u.s. war on isis and, specifically -- and i never thought i'd be asking but donald trump but i'm going to because you are a military man of many many years, so tapping into your expertise. let me play you a little sound. anderson cooper sat down with donald trump and ask about his thoughts on isis and the fact that they should be blowing up oil fields.
>> i would attack those oil fields owned and controlled by isis. they are taking tremendous money out. they are renovating a hotel in iraq. can you believe it? >> wouldn't you be destroying the wealth of iraq? >> there is no iraq. there is no iraq. excuse me there are no iraqis. they are broken into so many factions. >> and you don't think that bombing iraqi oil fields owned by isis is going to anger huge amounts of people? >> i wouldn't send any troops because you wouldn't need them by the time i got finished. i'd bomb the hell out of the oil fields and get exxon and other oil companies to rebuild them so fast your head would spin. you ever see how fast they put up rigs? these guys are unbelievable. they would be in there, finished so fast. >> wouldn't you need u.s. troops to protect the oil fields? >> yes. you put a ring around them. you've taken all of the wealth
away. this is what should be done. >> bomb the hell out of those oil fields. i see that smile on your face. you're a military man and don't delve into the realm of politics but i know you have thoughts on this. is that even in the world of plausible? >> well let me just state first, brooke that over the last 40 years when i was a soldier, i was very apolitical. we would judge the people running for office based on their capability of not just being the president but being the commander in chief. that's a leadership requirement. and leadership consists of three things. character, presence and intellect. and when you're talking the way mr. trump did last night to anderson cooper it just shows that he does not understand the issues in iraq he does not understand the intracracies of the application of military force and he's not able to provide strategic guidance. we have a saying in the military that it's very tough to live in
a .50 caliber world with a ..22 caliber mind. that's what troubles me about this current debate because this is very complex and there are hundreds of thousands and millions of iraqis who do believe they have a country. it's more than about oil. it is about a government and the intracracies of government and application of force is tough. you can't answer with very simple answers like this. >> general mark hertling thank you. >> thank you, brooke. in mere minutes, we will be live in south carolina the state capitol at the statehouse again, live pictures here you can see some protesters are gathering, but she will be signing it and we'll bring it to you as soon as it happens. we'll be right back.
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ah, yes, the first church of cannabis. remember this story? the controversial church in indiana. that church is now suing the state and the city of indianapolis claiming pot laws are infringing upon their religious beliefs. i talked to the founder of that first church of cannabis become in april about how he was going to build the church. here he was. >> originally i was going to lease a building for a year that's why we were raising the money. i figured about $20,000 to lease a building and pay the gas and electric then we would investigate gidget hemp korean as a building and build the first t-hemp-le.
there's a need for a new religion. people are burned out on the old doctrine. they offer guilt. they offer sin. c'mon, we offer no judgment whatsoever. we're based on love compassion and health. good things for us you know? healthy things, happy things. there's 12 pathways to life. there's no ten commandments. we're not commanding you to do anything. we're suggesting this is a good pathway to life and millions and millions of us out here smoke religiously we have faith in one plant. with that faith, we've started a church. >> remember that? that was a winner. well joining mess now chief counselor for the constitutional accountability center great to have you on. >> great to be with you, brooke. >> this is serious. they have filed this lawsuit here and some people in that
hard of hearts believe in terms of the eyes of the law, do you think that will fly? >> the biggest challenge will be whether or not this is a sincerely held religious belief. the law does protect in some instances the use of drugs and religious ceremonies there's a stative american church that's been afforded the right to smoke pay yoit but it has to be again, a religious belief. it could simply be a way of life or a cover for recreational use that may be enjoyable, or may have some health benefits you can't smoke religiously. >> his holiness is how i believe he referred to himself at one point in that interview. to be fair to the first church of cannabis quoted their
sacrament is marijuana, something that provides them peace. it is a healing herb. they believe that is something that is a positive thing, and therefore not being able to smoke it means that they are not able to practice their religion. i hear you, though as you rvrnsed the pay yoit payote case. but if they allow this i believe this would be a bit of a slippery slope. >> there have been other groups that have tried to say marijuana is part of their religion tried to press those arguments in court before. they haven't been generally successful in the way -- or there's also a brazilian group that was allow to do use a ha luge no genic tea. but it is still illegal in indiana. even if they were able to say this is our sincerely held religious belief the law does say the government can burden
those religious beliefs in some instances to further a compelling interest, and enforcement of marijuana laws saying they're illegal have previously been found to believe there's such a compelling interest. >> you mentioned the payote and the tea case is the difference for this is the potential for recreational users to use and abuse chakd be a loophole? >> there are several distinguishing factors, one of which is the previousens of marijuana, the amount of payote in the united states is very small, so the government's interest in regulating that is arguably lesser and also the way it's used. the native-american church for example, was able to say we only smoke payote as part of these spiritual practices f. whereas some groups have smoked marijuana, as much as they could even outside of any church-related activity. so those are some distinguishing
factors, and, you know the courts previously have not bought these arguments but as the country does move to legalize marijuana, maybe they'll have increased success. >> final question if the court shoots them down is that the final worked? or would there be room for appeal? >> no pudge attended, you can taye it to the highest court of the nation. ba-dum-bum. i appreciate you coming on. quickly let's show you some live pictures of south carolina. we are is shortly going to be see is the governor there signing is the big into law. i believe, guys get some my ear if these are live pictures or not inside the capitol rotunda.
moments aisle told. it's packed with legislators. outside there are protesters. i'm going to send it to my colleague, jake tapper early. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. "the lead" starts right now. with a stroke of her pen, south carolina capitol's confed rad battle flag will soon by history. i'm jake tapper, this is "the lead." breaking news in the national lead. just three weeks after the charleston shooting that terrorist attack renewed the debate off the flag governor nikki haley, a republican is about to sign a bill to remove the confederate battle flag from statehouse grounds. plus new information on how close we may have come over the weekend. top u.s. officials now saying they may have saved the fourth of july just in time from attacks by lone wolf terrorists with guns and knives.
we'll have all the details. and do you know this little girl? this computer-generated image of a mystery child found dead on a beach? it has been viewed nearly 50 million times online. will the power of social media give police the break they so desperately need? it has been a flash point efr since the massacre it mother emanuel a.m.e. church. the blue and red battle flag in support of slavery. it's coming down from capitol grounds three weeks after that horrific terrorist attack. south carolina's governor nikki haley, who called for the battle flag to be removed is moments ago from signing is the bill to do that overnight south carolina lawmakers after a grueling debate finally voted to remove the flag which has flown
at the state capitol for more than 50 years. the bill made it past the state senate earlier this week landed in the state house of reps where the final vote was 94-20, above the two thirds majority sneaded to make it to the desk of the republican governor. let's turn straight to our reporters in south carolina. alina machado is set the scene for us. what are you seeing for us so far? >> reporter: this place is gathered with people gathered to witness this firsthad historic moment a moment that some here in south carolina would say has been in the works for decades. what we are about to see take place here in south carolina is the product of republicans and democrats working together to remove this confederate battle flag. you can see there are already people gathered here waiting for the governor to walk outside and sign this bill into law. as you mentioned, this flag